Recent Episodes
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Episode 101: Inbetweenie - 6 Takeaways from Running a Marathon that Apply to Any Excercise Goal
Jun 18, 2025 – 48:26 -
Episode 100: Inbetweenie - The Hidden Cost of "Just Do Something" Fitness Advice
Jun 4, 2025 – 26:40 -
Episode 99: Inbetweenie - Is the Sitting-Rising Test a Lifespan Predictor - or Just Hype?
May 21, 2025 – 34:15 -
Episode 98: Capacities for Longevity Part 3: Cardio
May 7, 2025 – 02:25:16 -
Episode 97: Stronger Than Ever - BDC Alums Share Their Stories
Apr 30, 2025 – 01:27:35 -
Episode 96: Bone Density Grifters: Introducing the Grift-O-Meter!
Apr 23, 2025 – 02:49:08 -
Episode 95: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: Navigating Physical Therapy with Dr. Caitlin Casella
Apr 16, 2025 – 01:10:21 -
Episode 94: Capacities for Longevity Part 2: Power
Apr 9, 2025 – 01:31:52 -
Episode 93: Should You Avoid Spinal Flexion with Osteoporosis?
Mar 26, 2025 – 01:21:22 -
Episode 92: Make Dr. Loren Fishman Make Sense
Mar 12, 2025 – 01:58:17 -
Episode 91: LIFTMOR, Not Less: An Interview with Professor Belinda Beck
Feb 26, 2025 – 01:22:34 -
Episode 90: Capacities for Longevity Part 1: Strength
Feb 12, 2025 – 01:47:26 -
Episode 89: Inbetweenie - Is Dead Butt Syndrome Real?
Jan 15, 2025 – 01:03:13 -
Episode 88: Inbeteweenie - Evidence-Based Pilates Podcast
Jan 1, 2025 – 01:20:02 -
Episode 87: Inbetweenie - A Mythmas Special: 2 Strength Myths Busted
Dec 18, 2024 – 34:49 -
Episode 86: Inbetweenie -What the Osteoboost?
Dec 4, 2024 – 22:20 -
Episode 85: Inbetweenie - Boosting Recovery: What Really Works
Nov 20, 2024 – 32:47 -
Episode 84: Inbetweenie - Trick or Truth? Six Ways to Spot Exercise for Osteoporosis Misinformation
Nov 6, 2024 – 37:43 -
Episode 83: Inbetweenie - A Tale of Two Seniors
Oct 23, 2024 – 19:59 -
Episode 82: Weird Science: When It Doesn't All Add Up
Oct 9, 2024 – 02:20:17 -
Episode 81: Testify: Bone Density Course Alums Share Their Experiences
Oct 2, 2024 – 02:12:57 -
Episode 80: Posture Panic Pt. 3 with Author Dr. Beth Linker, PhD
Sep 25, 2024 – 01:16:52 -
Episode 79: Make Yoga U Make Sense
Sep 18, 2024 – 01:42:29 -
Episode 78: Behemoth Knee Myths
Sep 11, 2024 – 01:42:01 -
Episode 77: Are You Getting DEXA Scammed?
Sep 4, 2024 – 01:15:11 -
Episode 76: Posture Panic Part 2
Aug 28, 2024 – 01:51:01 -
Episode 75: Hypermobile People Are People Too
Aug 14, 2024 – 01:20:01 -
Episode 74: McGill We Go Again
Jul 31, 2024 – 01:31:06 -
Episode 73: Posture Panic Pt. 1
Jul 17, 2024 – 01:41:23 -
Episode 72: Inbetweenisode - Are you Tryin' to Spend the Least on Exercise?
Jul 10, 2024 – 26:20 -
Episode 71: Inbetweenie - Can You Really Walk Your Bones Stronger?
Jul 3, 2024 – 16:18 -
Episode 70: Inbetweenisode - Do you need a deload week?
Jun 26, 2024 – 14:25 -
Episode 69: Crack is Whack - Adam Meakins and A Modern Approach to Manual Therapy
Jun 12, 2024 – 01:11:39 -
Episode 68: Promoting Movement Optimism
May 29, 2024 – 01:07:26 -
Episode 67: Popular Explanations for SI Joint Pain are Wrong, Says Science
May 15, 2024 – 01:31:30 -
Episode 66: Dismantling Long and Lean Pt. 3
May 1, 2024 – 01:17:59 -
Episode 65: How to Exercise Safely When You're Injured
Apr 17, 2024 – 01:01:23 -
Episode 64: Non-Diet Coaching & Silly Certification Tests with Damali Fraiser
Apr 3, 2024 – 52:36 -
Episode 63: Dismantling Long and Lean Part 2
Mar 20, 2024 – 01:23:34 -
Episode 62: Make McGill Make Sense
Mar 6, 2024 – 02:04:55 -
Episode 61: Putting Conditioning Back Into Strength & Conditioning
Feb 21, 2024 – 01:20:07 -
Episode 60: Dismantling Long and Lean Part 1
Feb 7, 2024 – 01:19:26 -
Episode 59: Are You Certain You Need Certifications?
Oct 18, 2023 – 02:04:29 -
Episode 58: Alignment Dogma - Shoulders
Oct 11, 2023 – 01:53:36 -
Episode 57: Move Over Big Boys. We Lift Heavy Too.
Oct 4, 2023 – 01:21:16 -
Episode 56: Does Hypermobility Cause Osteoporosis?
Sep 27, 2023 – 47:29 -
Episode 55: How to Start (and Teach) Strength Training
Sep 20, 2023 – 59:59 -
Episode 54: Alignment Dogma - Spine
Sep 13, 2023 – 01:46:58 -
Episode 53: Your Bones Are Bored
Sep 6, 2023 – 01:08:58 -
Episode 52: What Stopped You from Lifting - 7 Guests Share their Stories
Aug 30, 2023 – 01:35:15
Recent Reviews
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KritteekHow about addressing those who are obsessed with rotation and articulation?One again, you hit it out of the ballpark at the end of Episode 96 - there is so much patronizing going on regarding women and weights! Another subject that I find interesting is the obsession some people have with rotation. Some modalities pride themselves on basing all of their motions on rotating, or spiraling (because the rotating is accompanied with reaching the spine in opposite directions, like an infinitely twirling galaxy), saying that this is the way humans naturally move so we must then exercise in ways that imitate this movement all the time. This may be also accompanied with a lot of far-out energy talk. A couple modalities that focus on this are the Gyrotonic Method and Functional Patterns, and I know the internet has already had fun debating with the latter. I have seen colleagues’ eyes glaze over when I talk about progressively loaded strength training with barbells. One woman pointed out the stiff, bulky gym bros that she’s seen. I think there is a fear that if you do enough barbell lifting, your body will freeze like a robot that’s only able to move in the sagittal plane. As soon as I talk about a windmill with a kettlebell, however, these same colleagues eyes will light up - ah, there’s the rotation!! I guess I’m asking for a way to organize my speech around addressing such fears and to know ways to debunk fallacies regarding needing to always imitate the rotational sport that one practices - and also convey that when we are biasing strength, rotation may not be the best way to do it, (and of course we can still practice these rotational movements without obsessing over them). My guess is that rotation and spinal articulation are in a separate category, if you will, from movements that bias strength and power. As a side note, since lifting, my hypermobile body rotates *better* - I am able to reign in my range of motion and not get hurt! And rotating under load (as in a kettlebell windmill or bent press) really makes the most difference in “owning” my range of motion which has also improved.
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KateNat13Get some knowledgeI have had the pleasure of working with both Laurel and Sarah when they brought their talents to Cleveland. Following their podcast has helped slowly deprogram my mindset out of the “I am broken “mentality. I really appreciate all of the evidence based information they provide. In this world where we have forgotten how to think critically they give you step-by-step directions on how to intake information with a critical eye. I really appreciate that they do the legwork, looking at and breaking down current research. That’s not something I’m going to do in my spare time, but I like to try to make decisions in my life based on current data and best practices backed by research so it is super helpful. If you are looking for some evidence based strategies to guide your fitness journey, you’ve come to the right place.
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Tinysheepcat#1 Podcast in my heart ❤️I am a practicing Physical Therapist. It is always fun listening to their Podcast. The right amount of banter and cerebral discussion around movement science are one of the things I love about this show. You guys rock! Thank you for empowering women! Love you guys a bunch. 😍
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Jennifer BrilliantExcellent and InspiringThank you Laurel and Sarah for your excellent podcast! I especially appreciate your depth of research that helps keep me up to date. You’re educating, inspiring and entertaining me. I’m so grateful and enjoy sharing episodes with other teacher friends.
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HdhehxisixidjFantastic perspectivesI am so grateful to have found this show! I am a massage therapist and movement coach and this show has benefitted me, my practice and clients in endless ways!
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Katy at 60They make me thinkI don’t always agree with you (mostly I do) but you always make me think and use research to support your opinions. Thank you. However, I sometimes feel minimized by your comments about older women. I’m not sure what exactly irritates me. I’m 67 years old and started weight training at 17 and have been pretty consistent throughout my life. While you’re working to expand the number and share great information, we, older women who strength train, are here. And have been for a long time.
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CleverestCatWanted to like this, but not enough actual informationI really wanted to like this podcast, but the hosts spend so much time tearing down others and what they think other instructors or professionals are doing “wrong” that by the end, I still can’t tell what I should be doing or how to think about things differently (with one exception: they make it very clear you should take their bone class, which I don’t begrudge them the hustle, but still). I’m all for “myth busting” but there’s very little left by the time they finish letting you know how bad (dumb) other peoples’ advice is.
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Ba. R.The podcast I have been waiting for!I found your podcast through your guest episode on Conspirituality and I am so grateful! As an aerial arts coach and personal trainer I am always looking for ways to continue learning and better meet my clients needs, and as you know it can be so hard to find sources of well researched, evidence based information presented in ways that are digestible and still full of personality. Very excited to have found you and looking forward to catching up on all this amazing material! Thank you!
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kbnaaValuable information for all movement teachersEvery time I listen I learn valuable information. And I laugh. It’s an amazing experience! Keep sharing your research based knowledge and movement optimism!
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feldmerleThank you Laurel and Sarah!I’m new to this podcast and I’ve been listening to recent episodes. I just listened to this podcast on the McGill interview. What a wonderful dissection of this so-called program to reduce back pain! I had terrible back pain for a while and tried all the things, including McGill. Oh the fear! The bracing! If I still had pain it was clearly my fault for not bracing enough! Ugh. And I gave it a full year of serious effort. No significant change to the pain. Happily I have now been pain free for many years due to understanding the neuroscience of pain and the biopsychosocial model of pain. And I move! I dance! I lift! Thank you both for your excellent work.
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ElanaeAlways learningI’m a Pilates teacher (20 years) and someone that has spent some time in physical therapy (broken ankle, hip replacement, and broken knee). I loved Episode 69 with Adam Meakins! I was a bit worried that I was going to be bummed out about the efficacy of physical therapy and all the money I have spent going to my PT. But as I was listening, I realized that I love my PT and he seems to be in line with what was discussed on the show. He started out clinician-driven care, since I was injured and scared and nervous about movement. As I got stronger and more confident, he let me drive our sessions regarding what our movement focus was going to be for the session and how hard I was going to work. As a Pilates teacher I had lots of my clients ask me why I wasn’t just doing my own “rehab”, but I was honest with them and told them that I will ALWAYS work harder for someone else who is watching than for myself. That’s why I go. Thanks for this interview, I continue to learn about my own philosophies of movement and grow my confidence as a teacher.
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reAlign CCEpisode with Adam MeakinsLoved, loved, loved this episode!! Actually love ALL your episodes! As a teacher of movement for over 27 years, I’m beyond thrilled with where I am as a teacher. I’ve learned so much from you both and your guests and I love the new connections I’m making through your guests. Keep doing what your doing! Thank you so much for all you do!
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Domini AnneThis show did not motivate me to lose weight at allI listened to the recent podcast series and found absolutely ZERO diet motivation. Instead,now I want to spend hundreds of dollars on heavy equipment that will build bone density instead of getting a treadmill and a new couch for the livingroom Laurel and Sarah are smart, funny and engaging to the point that I just believe whatever they say. I suspect there are persuasion tactics woven into their well researched science. Absolutely do not recommend if you’re looking for motivation to lose weight for the beach this summer.
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BekbudWhat a fantastic resource!I’ve been a Pilates trainer for over 13 years and worked with a lot of different types of bodies. Being a movement teacher has been rewarding but the industry itself is overwhelmingly toxic and full of misinformation. Listening to you two discuss your experiences and opinions (as well as present your research and study) is breathing new life into my work! Thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have found my people!
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monomagOne of my favorite podcasts!I love the depth of research Sarah and Laurel put into every single podcast. All of them are thought provoking, and I love anything that makes me question and think. Personally, I love the humorous banter as well….makes me wish I could sit and have a cup of tea, and a serious geek session with them. Thanks so much for all your time and effort.
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FitgirlohioBravo ladies!!!Not sure where to start but I’m over the moon with your mission and overall approach to the “movement teachers” and how we should look at the industry today. I have so many questions but mostly I owe you a huge thank you for putting such time and energy into these podcasts that have validated many of my recent concerns and thoughts. I’m new to podcasts and haven’t been impressed until coming across your information. I look forward to hearing more. Happy holidays and thank you again 🏋️♀️
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Suzanne Yoga and MovementI ❤️ movement logicAs a long time yoga teacher and a slow progressing weight training devotee I am happy to share that your podcast has become part of my strength training journey. I have been so lucky to lift in a gym with Trina Altman as my coach and when I hit the treadmill after my sesh I listen to your podcast. It's been a great pairing of education and entertainment. Thank you, ladies 💕💕
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textilegenie43Best podcast ever!I can’t recommend this podcast enough!! Sarah and Laurel have done a phenomenal job educating movers and movement teachers in EVERY SINGLE EPISODE! They are clear, concise, and always cite the most up to date evidence and research. If you are tired of being bombarded with movement myths and outdated information because of what is being marketed and sold, then this podcast is for you! Thank you Laurel and Sarah for always going above and beyond in every Movement Logic episode!
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guaninaSo helpfulI am not a yoga teacher, but I’ve been doing yoga for about 20 years now. There have been any number of occasions where yoga teachers would give me alignment cues that I didn’t understand or different teachers would give me cues that seem to be opposite of each other. When I would ask them questions, they couldn’t really tell me why they would tell me to do things a particular way. This podcast is amazing. It doesn’t answer every question I’ve ever had, but now I feel like I can think critically about what I’m doing and why I’m doing it. I also feel much more confident either taking a cue or leaving it. Laurel and Sara also make all of the science related to movement and exercise so much less intimidating, and more approachable and understandable. Thanks for everything you do.
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AksafferToo much chit chat at the beginningI’m 5/6 minutes into the podcast and it’s just boring back and forth non-relevant information. I prefer to the point, relevant information in an information-overloaded world. Please, just get to the points. I would like to add to my original review: they are funny, and give very good information, once they get into the subject matter.
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BeversdorfI’m not biased or anythingBut Sarah and Laurel sure are doing a good job.
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Stephie G Yoga10/10Smart, thoughtful, and humorous! I’m learning a lot! Thanks Sarah and Laurel!
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shelbsforthewinLots of great info presented clearlyThank you for being such vigorous advocates of lifting heavy, and offering a roadmap for a setup with the barbell equipment guide. Your episodes on verbal cues are standout, as are the episodes on shoulder/pelvis alignment cues and intention.
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BMovedLearning and LaughingAny podcast that can simultaneously entertain me and educate me is always going to be at the top of my playlist. The Movement Logic podcast is always in my rotation for these reasons! Laurel and Sarah are a wealth of knowledge in their respective fields who are excellent communicators. They have a knack for distilling complex concepts down to easy-to-digest bites. They are objective, authentic, creative, and sometimes more than a little spicy. There is never an episode where I'm not laughing out loud at least once - but it's usually more than once. If you haven't listened to their Oopsies Stories, press play ASAP. Thank you both for all of your hard work and dedication to science-based tools for movement enthusiasts. I appreciate you, and I look forward to learning and laughing with you in the future.
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Jennifer KurdylaDismantling the fitness systemI loved the episode on the 3 x 10 rule. Breaking down all those R acronyms really helped me figure out a routine that will work for me with the least amount of mental stress, which for me can increase my pain levels. Excited to see how this more qualitative protocol of RPE-based movement affects my long-term hip pain and maintenance of strength!
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CR1mbGreat info, fun conversationsAs a teacher of many years, I only listen to people who know their stuff. The Movement Logic team is that and then some. Clarity and often hilarity found in each episode. If y’all do make those t-shirts, I want them to give as my parting gift in my YTt’s.
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&167UNHhhhLeaving a review because I love Trixie and Katya, too! Leaving a five star review because I appreciate all the informative, thought provoking content you share on the pod. Thanks for helping me learn and question things as I go!
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AKprincesswarriorKeep up the great information!Yoga teacher and Health & Wellness Coach here who is LOVING your podcast. Thank you for the excellent information, accessible approach, and good jokes. Please keep the great content coming! Looking forward to your 2023 content.
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Swim GrandparentA Great Source to Help Clean Up the MythsListening to these podcasts have challenged me to be a more thoughtful teacher. They help me be a better questioner about things I have been told over and over in my yoga training. Thank you.
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CaitlinC NYCMust listen for movement lovers and cliniciansThank you Laurel and Sarah for shedding light, humor, and curiosity on so many important topics in the movement nerd multiverse. 🤓 I appreciate the evidence based and inquiry rich approach. Laurel’s SI joint episode gets a BIG YES from me. As a former yoga teacher, now physical therapist, I can totally relate to Laurel’s story. I found myself nodding my head through the whole listen. Five stars. Highly recommend.
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NBlomThoughtful and thoroughI love the way that Laurel and Sarah choose a topic each week and dive deeply into it. They aren’t afraid to change their thoughts and opinions based on the research that they come across.In the process, their humility and honesty make them much more truthful than all of the Talking Heads who pontificate that they “know everything,” and “have all the answers.” The movement world, and the world in general, need much more of this genuine and truthful approach to understanding.
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lizzzz9Excellent infoAn awesome resource for any kind of movement teacher. Or person who’s interested in maximizing benefits from their movement. To the point, coherent. They don’t meander off topic and it’s digestible.
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yogi cyclistFrom a non-professionalAlthough I am not a teacher , I fall into the category of a mindful movement person- needing to approach movement in a cerebral manner-questions galore on details. I thoroughly enjoyed and found this podcast so relevant , very focused and no fluff. Congratulations on your debut!
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All The Way MaeAmazingThese women stand for all that is right in movement. I love learning from them! You will too!!
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